Enolmatic Beer bottle problems

[koomber]

Vacuum will be the problem. Your only hope is that you pull enough of a vacuum to get rid of all the dissolved CO2 afaik.

On the other hand Cellar_rat, you could use a counter pressure filler like so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow7rUf0TgPg

Thread from american homebrew website that discusses it in detail:

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f35/we-no-need-no-stinking-beer-gun-24678/

They are also known as beer guns. You can see in this video they are using a glass rod, I belive from a racking cane of some sort. I went for SS because I have some and I don't have any glass rods to spare
It wouldn't be worth doing if it wasn't worth overdoing. The steel pipe I've got has a working pessure of 30'000 PSI. Hopefully My beer won't see that though
(This is just because we had some this schedule kicking around my work, but the fact that the ID of the pipe is like 1.5mm should give a nice back pressure to prevent foaming)

The trick (apparently) is to chill the beer real low and this should prevent foaming it should be carbonated at the serving pressure. Having everything very clean will help as will chilling the bottles. Set the Gas pressure to something very low (say 3-4 PSI) and dispense. Apparently it is very easy, very effective, very cheap and also negates the need for bottle carbonation.

[Cellar_Rat]

Nice one - thanks.
My picnic tap (in piccy) has 6mm co2 pipe on it already - I need to get a bored cork then and have a go!

[Cellar_Rat]

I might do a test with the next batch then! Keg condition most so that I can bottle it bright, and also bottle prime some of it and do a taste test.

[koomber]

I might do a test with the next batch then! Keg condition most so that I can bottle it bright, and also bottle prime some of it and do a taste test.

It is probably down to impatience, but I've always found better results from priming in a cronelius and then usign CO2 to keep it topped up. Much better carbonation than just force carbing (though I'll say again, your supposed to let it carbonate for some time, where as I usually leave it just long enough to get the cornelius wet.)

I look forward to hearing how you get on. I'm keen on trying this method

[lockwood1956]

You could of course condition in the keg.......


you would need to shave a little off the corny dip tube to stop it serving sediment?

regards
bob

[mcblades]

Right, Just spent the last hour bottling a quick Wherry kit to test the enolmatic on. I would normally have racked the beer and left it in the bottling cask for a ocuple of weeks but thought this would be a better test of the bottler as there would be more CO2 still in solution. The beer was racked into the barrel last night and bottled today.


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I am chuffed indeed. The bottler coped with all me variouisly shaped bottles without issue. 1st & 2nd pic shows bottle filling near start of session. Last pic shows the amount of waste at the end of 5 gals of bottling (about 350ml). I think now that I have the vacuum level and fill height sorted, next time there will be less waste still. This was a lot less efoort than using a little bottler IMO. Now I just need to find a slave to sanitize the beer bottles

Merry Xmas

[Cellar_Rat]

Wow this is good news - do you think the racking helped?

[mcblades]

well it got it off the trub which I didn't fancy sticking in the beer bottles

My normal procedure is to rack as soon as the beer is near its final gravity into a plastic pressure barrel that I then use for bottling. I leave it in the barrel for a good cople of weeks to completely finish (I leave the top on loose so as not to carbonate the beer yet. When I can get up the enthusiasm to sanitize 40 odd beer bottles I then prime the keg with sugar (100g or so) and bottle from the barrel with a bottling cane. The last half pint normally is fairly murky so it goes in the tasting glass.

For this experiment I racked into the pressure barrel as soon as it was under 1010. left overnight with the top on loose then added priming sugar and bottled with the enolmatic. I think it would have been fizzier this way than my normal method of letting it finish properly. I think as long as you are not trying to bottle beer thats been primed and fizzed in the barrel you should be fine. Also, I spent half the session faffing with the fill height which was unnecessary really and added to the waste.

I am really pleasantly surprised at how little waste there was. I was getting quite pessimistic looking around the US forums. Shame it won't fill pet bottles but you can't have everything.