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    i have a 15 bottle wine kit red cab sauv the hydrometer read 1082 i have left it open to air first ferment at room temp 22-24C for 8 days there seemed to be movement going on and a froth on top the bucket was covered by lid but not snapped on tight.
    Over 24hrs ago i racked it into the demijohn put in air lock with water and the temp has been kept the same.
    I have made own wine with kits before some years ago and wanted to do it again .
    And can rememmber not long after siphoning into fermenter it would start bubbling away.
    Well this has yet to happen so i thought i would test the gravity and it is now reading 996.
    Also after siphoning there was a lot of sediment left in bucket which i flushed down the sink as per instructions.
    On the hydrometer between 990+1000 it reads bottel but that seems to quick when it has really only beem in its first ferment (open to air)and in demijohn 24hrs.
    I did notice when i siphoned and got a mouthfull of wine LOL it tasted quite strong but not nasty strong
    just quite a kick.
    This kit came from i brew and it specificatly says no need to add sugar as the sugar is in the cans of must which must be right as the hydrometer has different readings.
    In some wierd way has my wine finished real quick or is something wrong.
    Do i need to add more yeast for the second ferment to take place or do i go ahead and add the
    Stabiliser/and Finings
    One more thing my hydrometer is new.
    With my old one i used to know a calculation from begining reading to the last reading that told me the A/L/C content but cant remember it.
    This new one shows the A/L/C content next to the readings so @ 1082 SP it showed the A/L/C content to be about 12% is this an estimate of the A/L/C content that should be reached at the end of fermentation before bottleing.
    And does anyone know that calculation you can use to get A/L/C content if start ferment is 1082 end is 996.
    Im sorry for rabling on but im pretty confused.
    Can you help.
    Brett

  • #2
    Hi

    that sort of SG drop will give you approx 11.5% alc. (11.68)

    see here for calculators and fact sheets etc

    Conversions and calculations page (http://www.winesathome.co.uk/downloads/calculator.htm) Sugar and acid levels of common fruit (http://www.winesathome.co.uk/downloads/sugarandacid.pdf) Alcohol calculation chart (http://www.winesathome.co.uk/downloads/Alchoholbyvolumechart.xls) TA Acid chart (http://www.winesathome.co


    Your ferment may not yet be finished, when you rack them they sometimes stall for a day or two and then fire back into life. It's under airlock now so as long as it is topped up correctly you will be fine

    you may also wish to calibrate your hydrometer
    see here for details
    Your hydrometer will tell you how much potential alcohol your brew has before you start, when it is actively fermenting (specific gravity still reducing) and when it is dry (no sugar left...1.000 to 0.090) To calculate the alcohol content of your wine take the starting Specific Gravity and take away the finishing Gravity i.e.


    regards
    Bob
    N.G.W.B.J.
    Member of 5 Towns Wine and Beer Makers Society (Yorkshire's newest)
    Wine, mead and beer maker

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    • #3
      how rude of me......

      forgot to also say.......welcome to the forum

      regards
      bob
      N.G.W.B.J.
      Member of 5 Towns Wine and Beer Makers Society (Yorkshire's newest)
      Wine, mead and beer maker

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      • #4
        Hi lockwood
        Thanks
        I managed to find a real old wine makeing book of mine which had the calculations in it and you are bang on.
        I will however check out the link on calibrating my hydrometer and see how it goes .
        But as i said when i racked into fermenter and got a bit of a mouthfull it did taste pretty strong but a nice stong actually gave me a bit of a rush as i did it quite early in morning LOL.
        thanks again
        Brett...

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        • #5
          Hi Brett

          When the ferment has just finished, the wine will be alcohol hot, so it is likely this that is giving you the "strong" sensation....this will subside after time and the wine will mellow and balance itself

          regards
          Bob
          N.G.W.B.J.
          Member of 5 Towns Wine and Beer Makers Society (Yorkshire's newest)
          Wine, mead and beer maker

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          • #6
            hI BOB
            but is it normal for a wine to finish so quick and when only left open to air.
            When i used to do it before it whent on for some time.
            The only other thing i can think of is in my old book (home wine makeing the right way) by Kenneth Hawkins you may know it.
            He says the demijohn should be filled to within 33mm of the airlock.
            But the fermentation barrels supplied with my 15 bottel kit when filled to 11.25 liters (15 bottles) there is a good 75mm
            (3inches) of space. but i suppose at this point it makes no difference cause as far as i can tell the ferment was over before adding the must to this barrel.
            O by the wat i checked out your link on calabrating the hydrometer and mine is just fine. @ water temp 60f reading is 1000
            Well i brought two of these kits so im going to leave this one in the fermenter and do a white wine (soave) with the other kit and see wat happen i will try as said in book stirring the must daily to losen the surface scud see if that makes a difference. all in all i am not unhappy with the quality ive got so i dont know why im bothering to much it is just strange
            ps im a slow typer and this has taken ages LOL i suppose i must be getting into this wine game again.
            Thanks Again Bob
            Brett

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            • #7
              Ferments are all different, and it is best not to measure them in days a(as per instructions) but by SG, if i am fermenting in bucket frst i normally rack to secondary vessel around SG 1.010 so check daily.

              I have had ferments finish in 4 days before, it doesnt happen often that quickly, but if conditions are right and the yeast is active before pitching (see tutorial area re yeast starters) it can be very quick indeed

              All you ever needed to know about yeast starters Extract from Progressive Winemaking Peter Duncan and Bryan Acton Yeast starters are very easy to prepare and no difficulties should be encountered if the following directions are observed. A wine bottle is first sterilised with the stock (10%) sulphite solution mentioned in


              as to airspace.... 3 inches is too much and the wine can oxidise if left with too much headspace, you may wish to top up with a similar wine, drop some sanitised marbles into it to raise the level....or
              bottle it quickly.

              All demi johns are different, so it is likely best once they are empty to fill them with water, and pour into your bucket and mark the level, then when you start your next batch make it slightly more than this level so you know you can fill the DJ correctly

              hope that helps
              regards
              bob

              regards
              Bob
              N.G.W.B.J.
              Member of 5 Towns Wine and Beer Makers Society (Yorkshire's newest)
              Wine, mead and beer maker

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              • #8
                Bob
                Great stuff
                I love the one with the marbles but i will have to use pebbles washed in boiling water and put in sanitiser fluid for a lengthy time there not garden pebbles LOL in home ornament types.
                I know about the yeast starter but only ever used it once.
                Ive started my next batch and sg is 1080 so i will keep checking and rack at 1.010 no mater how long weeks days hours mins or LOL seconds.
                what head space do you recommend.
                Thanks again
                are you the only other member no this site.
                Brett
                Last edited by andrews40; 02-09-2012, 10:23 AM.

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                • #9
                  Hi Brett

                  No I'm not the only member
                  the rest are all just so very shy and retiring....(NOT!)

                  the regular contributors are likely cleaning up all of their kit in preparation for grapefest (two weeks on sat)

                  As to headspace....I would recommend approx an inch, for DJ's I like them to be topped up to at least where the bottom of the neck is, like in the pic below to minimise the surface area open to oxygen.

                  peachwithcap.JPG

                  regards
                  Bob
                  Last edited by lockwood1956; 02-09-2012, 10:31 AM.
                  N.G.W.B.J.
                  Member of 5 Towns Wine and Beer Makers Society (Yorkshire's newest)
                  Wine, mead and beer maker

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                  • #10
                    You are most welcome to attend grapefest too, we have bods travelling here from darn sarf for our yearly...................er

                    how best to describe it......


                    anyone?
                    N.G.W.B.J.
                    Member of 5 Towns Wine and Beer Makers Society (Yorkshire's newest)
                    Wine, mead and beer maker

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                    • #11
                      Great again Bob
                      with my wine kit it didnt have djs but 15liter barrels with a real fancy airlock built into the screw on lid so the neck is about 100mm radius
                      But ive got my pebbles ready and think i got a rougth idea what to do'
                      As with my old kit i just used to use a camping 25 liter drums with a tap and i put a good quality bit of tape around the bung(not to thick)so bung would fit in the top of drum some times i would have so mush must in the drum it would flow out through the airlock and so l let it be and it just found its own level .
                      I think i will do the same sort of thing with this barrel.
                      Im ready to go to battle with it now Bob
                      Thanks for your time
                      Brett

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lockwood1956 View Post
                        You are most welcome to attend grapefest too, we have bods travelling here from darn sarf for our yearly...................er

                        how best to describe it......


                        anyone?
                        A brew up followed by a p*** up in a winery.
                        Simon
                        "I can certainly see that you know your wine. Most of the guests who stay here wouldn't know the difference between Bordeaux and Claret." - Basil Fawlty

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                        • #13
                          Thread moved to geeral winemaking area


                          please post questions here otherwise the new winemakers area becomes cluttered and less easy to read, and we want it easy to read for newbies

                          regards
                          bob
                          N.G.W.B.J.
                          Member of 5 Towns Wine and Beer Makers Society (Yorkshire's newest)
                          Wine, mead and beer maker

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